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two individus abouthis in just a momnt. going up to anyone and everyone who might know the most remote thing. even if theyight not, please refer to the latest "whington post" story about how statesnow have the fac of more than 120 million people that, my friends, is a lot of faces. forget for the moment the laest prominent leaker of e stuff coming dick cheney thinks that ed snowden is this. focus more on the stuff that he has lead. an agency collecting milons of phone records and e-mail records. other government agencies chasing down personnel records all in the guise okeeping us safe. sometimes of the court oder, and a lt of times on what we were told was a mutual

derstandg. it is weird. that is what haens when these scandals break. they just keep breaking. and they just keep on coming. this is precisely the drama they saw playing out. >> i think we e in a very dangerous time. the government is spying on half of amecans. bubut this is for our own good d the government is arguing. give us some oyour liberty, and we will keep the state. it doesn't keep us safe in the back. in wld war i, ther was an act of the espionage act which prohibited saying nice things about the enemy. that is still a lot today. the government hasn't used it, but it's tere ifth want to indict somebody on the basis of their word. that is very dangerous.

>> theamerican public cannot become cplacent aboutthis. we are moving down a slippy slope. it will never happen, yet we a whate are. >> joe lieberman, the former homeland security chairman of the senate, he was tli me that that kind of thingas stopped. of course, that is like wondering what the point was. that there is some good. whato yosay to that? >> say the value is an analysis after costs. so what cost are w getting value. neil: what if entering upon a condo talked about th.

>> i don't give up t liberties that have mademerica america i'm willing to live with some toys are you at some point, enough is enough. this is too much. the government is spying n half the country. the whole purpose of the fourth amenent s to make surthat we didn't have fishing expeditions and draets an to gi the goverent what it means. but the government has to show a target. it has to show sspicion. il: but what abou looking for a proverbial needle in a haystack? >> it simply can't always do that. he called the bolsheviks and he said that he would look at everybody. neil: that was a total bolsvik >> the purpose is toprevent the government from doing in large numbs what it is doing to us. you have a greater chance of dying by bei shot by the police or phone in your bathtub at home than you doeing shot by a terrorist. you would not give up privacy in

their homm. why would you give up privacy in your-mail. it doesn't keep us sae. does that make their jobs easier? >> yes, it does. putting obstacles in front of the government is what we did intentionally. if we don' control the governme, the government wl control us. so who is in charge now? >> over the other fearsome words? >> the nine most dangerous words in the english language. >> forwatever reason he comes back more enraged. [laughter] neil: i think you guys very much. in the meanwhile,, dick chen says edward snowden is no hero. we thought it was a go play on words. but some see this as his greatest roblem.

those whsnitch on power for whever good intentions as the problem. all rght, over to you first. ithink tt dick cney was saying that snowden is a tom. >> he doing great public service here. he's exsing the government, basically. that is something they have to testify to thepeople and they can't do that becse it's ot necessary. ne: you encoueredhe same frustration. they compromise a lot of things, getting ths out, and here we are trying to make people aware of something pretty heinous going on i dot know the case with edwa snowden. i don't know whether to say that he has followed i your more

noble oteps. but i rry about how he immediately label somne the way that we have. >> agreee neil. we need to movecautiouslyhere. but i do share he concerns when the guy runs off to china and now he's talking about this. neil: that is what botherse. e fact that you did that. does that indicate who is to be trusted or what? il: as you go to china, bacally under china's cntrol, presumably you have more stuff

available. but you are not sticking around here and going to is expected order, and immediate higher up, something that conrns or alarms here. now in both of your cases, you did try to go thrgh the proper channels. neil: maybe you should explain what happened you. >> we went to congress, weent the inspector general and the united states depament of defense. a report was issued. it was classified and it was essentially buried from public view.

one thing that ccurs to me th maybe build he looksthe treatment that you guys ought. >> he is not a coundrel. i'm not sure that makes him a hero, buit's not as bad as we made anobservation for. neil: a lot of peopl are there

too many? >> absolutely. what the snowden experience tells you is that the government has no eal way of monitoring who is doing what on the network. they only find out after the fact that somebo took it out and is doing something witit to expose it. theyeally don't -- they don't have an online che of things in the files that are being interrogated. neil: so i am looking at this a the way ings areoing down. so i'm not always going t go to my authority. i am listening here to what you guys went through. by the same token, i don't know if i will run down whatis calm. maybe i will stumble upon something. t government needs to

create a path for the whistleblowers in the intelligence community so we don't crea these pessure cooker situations are we have a explosion of classified information. neil: : at mean for the government has to be open to that sort of criticism. >> tt is really the probem. the government n't face their problems. that is why they continue to have the save pblems. they can't face thr problems. they always try to cover it up at. neil: you guys are goofyo live neil: you guys are goofyo live to tell about it.

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famously remarked about this being total bull. david stockman says the scandals are bad. david sells it all out in his bestseller. the great inforti, the corrupon, the capitalism in america. you don mind focusing on the scdals, becaussome are pretty egregio. >> i think w ar in comple fantasy land. the short run blip -- neil: what have you heard? >> oh, the one-time factors. like fannie mae and freddie ac. if you look at the longer term of the next 10 years, and economic forecast you are getting trillions of dollars of deficits on top of what we have. neil: do you estimate it is

going to go higher? >> dramatically over forecasting the economy fourteen years, th last one ended and tre's never been 14 years like that. we are going to have wage growth of 5.3% a year so if you adjust real world super economics, you're lookin at this. neil: sometimes you cannot not so sober and surprises. like 14 years ago you could have argued this. you coud have pleasant surpris. neil: what you think about this? only bring you an internet boom? >> well, edge was a chnological development and a great thing. neil: we are not always sold by3

this. >> the fed clearly is. we have a decade packed with zero interest rates and we are not always intervening in this way. >> well, they ought to op right now. but thmarket i totally hooked on this monetary heroism. then they wiegin to per back or reduce the85 billion. neil: so they should resist the hiy fit and moveon? >> yes, that is what they have been unwilling to do ever since greenan punted in 1998 at the long-term capital time. time after time they have been doing the me thing. ne: how much higher do you ink the interest rates would

be? >> we are raid of the bogeyman th might not be there. i d't think there is any ving thi economy. i think they eily could be two or 300 basis points, definitel higher. neil: that is nt bad n the scheme of things. at the time, that seemed great. but that three or 4%, i don't dismiss it. >> i was 15 or 20 years ago. >> look at the housing market. we have a tepid recoverhere. they drove the 30 year mortgage rate down to 3.2%.

neil: it is still continuing. >> n i think what you have is a mini bubble in the housing market. neil: you do not buy this housing recovery? >> n i do not. [laughter] i mean, obviously i haae owned a home for a long time. but the point am making is that a recovery that you are seeing is due to low interest rates and some speculator. small timers and big hdge fund ople. it isn't a real, sustainabe healthy recvery. neil: what would david stockman do right now? the irs overreach, et ceera. what is your fear cometh you had to intervene right now. >> i wou tl the public the truth. number one that the fed is nnt

designed to hold interest rates way below eonomic levels. to manage and manipulate the entire bond market. it has createda bubble. it will be a painful aajustment, but it has t happen. >> we are going to havto face up to the music n our fissal circumstance and we are going to have to reform entitlement. we will have to tax consumption. >> of course it should slow down the economy. >> in the short run, we ed to get ourselves healthy economically or we're we are just goingo have one bubble after another. then all the panic that occurs afterwards as we desperately try to dig out the deficit stimulus and all the rest of it. we a now in a dead end. we haebeen receiving us over

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michael, what do youhave? >> you really don't need much more proof than that. every time they talk aut tapering thimarket jus classes. the marke isdown 10% from the recent highs. that is exactly what we need. we need to market to be infud into the interest rate. the supply f money, the cost of moneyshould be determined by the supply and demd. not by 12 unelected and on accounble officials. neil: those officials have been doing pretty much the market bidding. so the fear is that now they are telling the market but that is the way the fed does and getoff of our apron strings. >> i disagree with that. but basically, coparing the united statee with europe. europe has had six connecutive quarters of declining income.

the unemployment rate increase is 25% or greater. >so what is the downside to endingll this money? well, it is ultimately bad it is inflation. neil: the downside is a bubble. >> inflationary bubble, whatever you want to call it, it is basically inflation. let me give you one fact. it is one of the most surprising things that have learne in the last 24 months. and i am ashamed that didn't know it before. we all know about this. that is why germany will not let anybody do anything in europe because they he this hyperinflation. neil: you are losing me here. [laughter] >> hyperinflation lasted for two years. two years. after that, germany segued into a great economy.

>> we keep printing a trillion dollars, $20 billion, by the way, $25 a barrel for oil in the middle of thlast decade. >> when the feds buy the bonds, the intert rates go down. th includes distortion in the cost of money. >> it is sort of like keeping us out of a depressn. neil: wait, wait. >> the money supplgrowth rat are out of whack. because debt levels are out of

whack. >> we went through the '90s. >> is that tapers down a little bit and eventually we stopped , i mea you would be healthy longer term. is that right? >> absolutely, we should start right away. >> it risks the rise.

[lauter] >> but rally. if yohave 25% unemployment in this country. we are not prepared for that. we cannot deal where the unemployment is at. >> you kw, that cou happen. neil: ok, gy. most of you are great guests. wnt you guys to just calm down. rember wen russia was the greatest threat to this wld? vladimir putin just oved that mitt romney was de on. we will have that next you hurt my feelings, todd. did?

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if you lend hand. what is going on here? >> well, vladimir putin understands that obama i weak,lg all of the strings, and assad and syrian regime are for importance to russia,t is the last arab allie. and frankly, you know they are defending their client. all that said, i got to till you, o thing putin said is true, that is he said, well, if assad falls, islamists come to power, that is true, i look at what we're doingoia, sending weapons much too late now that the extremists,he islamist fanatic have taken over the insurgents, it is beeenhe devil and the deep

blue sea, both sides are evil, neither sid is our friend, i don't think that obama administration has done serious analis, they do not have a strategiclan, not a end state after assad falls, who will protect if islamist insurgents takeover, make no mistake, no matter what anyone on capitol hill tells, any u.s. arm tat go to insurgency at this point will wind up in the hands of islamistic treatment ofs and al qaeda allies if we move to a no-fly ze, you will have u.s. pilot flying air coverage missions for al qaeda allies, and cronies, we have not thought this threw. neil:he time to intervene for this -- >> t years ago. neil: a long time ago, let them disintegrate on their own, best case is that assad cannottand

even with whatever helpe gets this something big, andither he i toppled or country is fracturednto pieces. >> wl, we are dealing wwth so many layers of problems, sir why was created for -- syria was created for french. because brish got iraq and versailles, the borders do not work. so there is -- it is a sick area, the bloody horrible struggles with which i have no simp say thasympathy are effortf correct,ou see a sunni-shia divide, i have no sympathy for assad regime, or hezbollah or iranian allies, they are scum of thearth, however, do you really' as an alternativeo suort an insurgentsy is tied toslamic extremist, for all

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diiulous prices, it is still overvalued here, earnings year-over-year have been flat, thetockck will go nowhere, they will have to grow the earnings big not just revenues. neil: scott? >> neil, i think you have t find a way to get money out of the users, they gett ought of ads, but you need get it out of 57 that is connects, they can't do that yet. neil: all right, we shall watch, hank you. >> thank you. neil: rogue ants in cincinnati going after tear tea party thin, going after tear tea party thin, lie, there is a pursuit we all share. a better life r your family, a better opportunity for your business, better legacy to leave the world. we he always believed in this pursuit, striving to bring insight to every iestment, and integrity to every plan.

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neil: well good golly, miss holly, this is a doozy, congressional sources confirming that hlyass, formay a top

deputy in irs division, reviewed to of those applications herself. not from cincinnati where we're told originally that rogue agencies were doing this but from washington d.c. where miss paz herself was doing this. mystery, getting more misterrousbutt suld not be a scker. that examination were done at a local office. >> that is ridulous claim they made in first place. itous like holly is now also trying to say she how i thoughty were working on it in cincinnati, cincinnati people thought they were waiting for direct in dc. but it was really just a miscommunicati, i spoke with a couple forler fedeeacup former s

last night, they said that is not the way they work. neil: an earning agey cann its n do stuffitho checking with mother ship. which is washington. >> right. and we know that there are systems, that if something is late it flags it couldsumer advisers see i it goes up the chain, there are reminders if something is later on overdue, the is no way there was a year and a half long miscommmmunicatn or 3 yearser where everybody thoughtveryone else was working on it. >> y know, when your group was fingered in all of that. asking all sorts of added questions, and forms andelays, how was it presented to you. when that was going on, how was

it explained? >> well, for a large number of groups, nothing was explained. there was no contact. and when people had their attorneys contact the irs, they neve heard back from the irs. as far as tea party pririots, my grou is concerned that was a big pt, not getting a response, when you did. it was with -- something asking you more questions, more invasive questions. neil: at that point, that sets an important point, when they asked more questions, was it at that time y and your colleagues and friends started to say this is n coming from a field offers. this -- offic this h more substance? >> theee is no way there you know, tea party movement is so connectioned on line, that is wheree were born,e stayed a

lot of times, wire concted. -- we're connected. we knew this was happening o thegroups, this weird invasive questions were happening, there was no way that it could have been don on that scale with those type of questions, coming from a couple of people in cincinnati that jt thought, we'll ask the tea pty movement, what books they read, and what -- you pro life scripps what prayers they say. neil: with miss paz and oers, saying there was not a target the conservative group, they thought it cod have been liberal groups,ot going after an agenda or point of view,his was going after. groups that were abusing -- in eyes of irs, potentially abusing tax exempt stas that was handed out like candy? >> it is ludicrous, and obvious they are lying about, that no liberal groupsave come forward to say theyad the same treatment that tea party and

constive groups did, we know they were targeting, they admitted they were targeting, it all points to targeting, so the are trying to say that we -- thathe rules were n clear enough,e know they were darn clear enough for liberal groups, they knew wt they wer doing, and they were clear enough they knew when they were doing to tea pay gros thiss all, them trying to remain unaccountable, that is what sms to happen across the board. irs is too big, and too powerful as has the rest of the u.s. government, we the people cannot ev hole them aconnable wit they literally opros and target -- opress and target u.s. citizens because of their politil beliefs neil: thank you, very of issue kelly. >> tnk you. neil: congres republicans y you got yr national i.d. into to immigration law, oops, sry.

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neil: in arizona, supreme court ruli that state cannot reqre people to prove they are citizens before voting, senate pushes forward with massive immigratn bill, that includes a national i.d. system, a lot of republicans demanded that because they argue it will help screen illegals already in the country or ones trying to get in now a double-edged so sword. to malia and rob. and katie. ka, what o you think? >> well, i think what all nsa inrmation we have now, i don't think it is out of the question to think that federal government does not already have the information they want. on everyone here in ameca, that is not an euse to give homelanecurity their own huge database, bu people hav not talked about here, and issue i

have circumstae why arehey putting -- i have is, why are they putting burden onmployers to do theohn o job of legal stos fing well status -- legal status, that should be government job. >> i read 7% of american employers are voluntarily sing the everify system, thi is america, unfortunately, everyone wants the cake and eat it took weant to simplify things in government, we have to simpny things make it easy for for american people, and many people are against it. neil: mal? >> well, yeah, ihink it is scarey to think about the u.s. creeting this national database, as far add everify, this is interesting to see how many employers are not opting in. to see if their employee are legal, this may be sethinge can get behind, and work

together,. neil: i am worried about that. you know, i think that with the scandals coming up, this is scary. we know, what happens when government getting too much of our information. neil: wait you -- someone o your ben saying that government can get too big? >> well, right. i think that -- what was it when glenn beck and aclu get tother, you know things ae too far. neil kat, all points here, there is -- be careful what you wish for i notice with various agency with their own i.d. program, we could he a case, i think unlikely, but you have a multiple ageiesemanding communication, and they -- documentation. >> why not share one database. neil: too eas gre they should easy. >> they have to he their own system, but fbi already has a

ge database, nsa has a a huge database,ach state dmv has a huge database. it would be nice if they just e one. >> or another idea howo handle immigration, and finding out whether people areou know, legal in this country or not, i think that is important. this i not going to -- >> in arizona argumt of supreme court through them out. >> if you look at arizona, they use everything within tir por, to actually create their own environment, so they don't have the problem that they are having. they haveuge immigration issues in arina, instead of going the legal route, get laws changed at federal level they use stes rights -- >> what do youic march supreme court decision -- do you think of supre court decision. you cannot force them to prove citizenship, i live in new jersey but they ask me proof of

who i am, i have my lense. >> right,nyrandmother -- neil: what wrong with that? >> you know, inow that different states. neil: but why is it wrong? it is a sacred right to vote. >> the thing abut voting it should be act' aquilla flood -- cessible. neil:t is not a free pass to abuse it, how is showing an.d. hurt that. >> it is you cou call it a defacto poll tax, rid i.d.es cot money. >> come o neil: u have to hav an i.d. wherever you go. >> in with a wi wisconsin almost 30% -- >> you have to sho you are who yo are to vote. >> whether you show a gas bill

or whatever. neil: katie, what do youhi? the supreme court said, arizona you are going too f. >> being from arizona, a living in arizona for mor than o decades, i understand the illegal immigration problemmvery well, idea that you don't have so show an i.d. to vote, means we should not have to show ran rid tani.d.o ga g else. -- anything else. neil: maybe they kill the i.d. thing. >> for everything? >> in my mind, arizona on the right track, they a tryg to police their own probls, but if we a americans can't get behind this single i.d. situation. neil: nsa thing just killed the environment for this sort of thing. >> aolutely. you know, i don't think that vong on arbitrary.

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